tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13716924.post114518862177871356..comments2023-10-15T16:58:38.291+03:00Comments on n@simjo ©: The Lack of Ethics in Microsoft's Gospelers!nasimjohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12336922664009663702noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13716924.post-8716780242360837272007-02-06T13:03:00.000+02:002007-02-06T13:03:00.000+02:00Congratulations for having such a count of silly m...Congratulations for having such a count of silly marketing antibodies! I agree with you, and I also had the experience of feeling offended by the gratuitous bashing dropped at some Microsoft's events, but this could actually happen at any others company events. I am thinking of a Mac user group in Canada I once heard of, that used to destroy PCs with hammers in their meetings! It happens all the time in events from Sun, Oracle, Open Source, etc. (people bash Microsoft, off course). I am thinking also that maybe the way the Oracle event you referred to was the way it was (they probably praised Open Source) because it just was on their benefit. Unfortunately this is the way the world seems to be: 90% of the people walking on the streets have no clue why they do what they do. <br />But if you really want to talk to truly smart people you have to jump layers of silly marketing. Fortunately a company like Microsoft has thousands of developers talking directly with people like you on their blogs.Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06211524340372500555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13716924.post-1145275542205079002006-04-17T15:05:00.000+03:002006-04-17T15:05:00.000+03:00Dear Murad,thanx alot for the comments, and it was...Dear Murad,<BR/>thanx alot for the comments, and it was nice to find some1 getting to my post in this speedy way ;)<BR/><BR/>Again I say, It was all about the people not the technology, and as u mentioned, the level wasn't appealing at all.... coz I was at EDC, and I dunno how it was. cause by the end of the day the technology is a matter of tastes for the developers.<BR/><BR/>Thanx again murad for the comments, and it made things even clearer for the reader.<BR/><BR/>about Evangelists, muhieddin is, but those speakers weren't .. so i'll keep the title as is, cause im talking about them not muhieddin sha3ban, nor kheriddin....nasimjohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12336922664009663702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13716924.post-1145194581645783672006-04-16T16:36:00.000+03:002006-04-16T16:36:00.000+03:00Thank you for all of this feedback about MAD.First...Thank you for all of this feedback about MAD.<BR/><BR/>First of all, <BR/>you have to change the title to "Evangelists" instead of "Gospelers",<BR/>'coz we're not talking souls here.<BR/><BR/>I do respect your opinion in some crisps of this post, but around most<BR/>of it is not suitable to mention !!<BR/><BR/>NASIM,i'm not of course MS blinded, this is just to know about me. what <BR/><BR/>you have seen yesterday, is just what so called "Level 50" according to <BR/><BR/>MS sessions rating system, level 50 = pre-novice, or the very beginner <BR/><BR/>level, of course, leave DirectX session off, 'coz it must not be at MAD.<BR/>with my respect to all who delivered those sessions, they are either <BR/><BR/>students or developers, but Neither evangelists nor Technology <BR/><BR/>Specialists, except for the 25-certificates holder, Mr. Muhie El Din!!<BR/>MAD is a mini-event, you would expect alot of faults and <BR/><BR/>mis-understanding to alot of issues. And by the way, i was offered to <BR/><BR/>present the Vista session instead of my friend Muhannad and his firend, i <BR/><BR/>actaully forgot his name (the guy's from KSA), but wallahi I refused for <BR/><BR/>alot of reasons, with my respect to attendees, nobody will get the idea <BR/><BR/>behind Windows Vista from a developer perspective, no body will <BR/><BR/>understand (from a first look) what is the real meaning of developing <BR/><BR/>ORCAS-based apps or WPF/E apps or what's the real meaning behind <BR/><BR/>developing MCML, so i found it not useful to present a "300 level" <BR/><BR/>session at MAD, mentioning that I, Bander, Najeeb and Ayman (unless i <BR/><BR/>forgot any other) were the real testers for Vista, i shocked when i <BR/><BR/>raised my hand being the only one using vista !! OMG !!<BR/><BR/>yesterday's guys gave attendees a very basic ideas about a <BR/><BR/>begin-to-be-old Microsoft Technologies, I'm saying that because<BR/>we really got bored developing using VS05 since 2004, so we always<BR/>wanted new stuff, such as: MCML, WPF/E, ORCAS Feb CTP, WinFS first look, <BR/><BR/>and btw, WinFS won't ship with vista,it will ship with Vista SP1 !!<BR/>and some other cool new and coming stuff, all were missed in MAD06 !!<BR/><BR/>Want a real event ? I wish you didn't miss EDC06 or EDC04 or MDC05 !!<BR/>these are real events presented by specialist and architects !!<BR/><BR/>To not get mis-understand what i mean, Microsoft is producing hundreds of <BR/><BR/>applications, so you might and (it's usual) to notice some weaknesses in <BR/><BR/>their products, where's (let's say) Sun MicroSystems doesn't develop as <BR/><BR/>5% as what Microsoft does develop, the same thing goes to Google and <BR/><BR/>IBM!! this is the FACT !! "no body can hide the sun with their hand "!!<BR/>Microsoft,(an i repeat, im not MS blinded) is the leading and #1 software <BR/><BR/>company on panet earth since ages and ages and will stay to the top of <BR/><BR/>other companies, ESPECIALLY after launching Windows Vista, and announcing <BR/><BR/>the begining of developing the all new radical-changed coming OS, <BR/><BR/>code-named "Windows Vienna" !!<BR/><BR/>And not to insult SUN by my side, Microsoft ITSELF has insulted SUN in a <BR/><BR/>complete article comparing a fancy app done with JAVA, and the vice <BR/><BR/>versa, with .NET 1.1 . SUN then, sued MS and lost it !!<BR/><BR/>MS tends to omit CODING or writing code with every new product, let's <BR/><BR/>say, in VS05 70% off code is omitted, and upcoming VS ORCAS will omit<BR/>more and more till we get an intelligent IDE that fully does what you <BR/><BR/>want in a ZERO code session!! this is what they aim to, so YES, i would <BR/><BR/>say, i won't write code and i either can't write a piece of code for a <BR/><BR/>company that will hire me [this is gonna be a reality in the upcoming <BR/><BR/>5-10 years] !!!<BR/><BR/>I hope you get a clearer idea of what's going on with MS and MAD, and if <BR/><BR/>you want any further explanation, JUST, inform me !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com